RS-485 Polarity - Revision history

BACnetEd at 14:41, 31 July 2025

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	\| B \|\| A \|\| \|\| [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-485#Signals Wikipedia. See, what a fiasco]		\| B \|\| A \|\| \|\| [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-485#Signals Wikipedia. See, what a fiasco]
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	\| A+ \|\| B- \|\| \|\| [https://www.waveshare.com/product/iot-communication/wired-comm-converter/usb-to-rs485.htm Waveshare USB to RS-485]		\| A+ \|\| B- \|\| \|\| [https://www.waveshare.com/product/iot-communication/wired-comm-converter/usb-to-rs485.htm Waveshare USB to RS-485], AirBox
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	\| A \|\| B \|\| \|\| [https://e2e.ti.com/cfs-file/__key/telligent-evolution-components-attachments/13-143-00-00-00-26-49-60/RS485-_2D00_-Polarity-Conventions.pdf TI Polarity Conventions]		\| A \|\| B \|\| \|\| [https://e2e.ti.com/cfs-file/__key/telligent-evolution-components-attachments/13-143-00-00-00-26-49-60/RS485-_2D00_-Polarity-Conventions.pdf TI Polarity Conventions]
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			\| ? \|\| ? \|\| \|\| KMC router, A- and B+, true polarity TBC
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BACnetEd at 13:46, 1 July 2025

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	! Non-inverting !! Inverting !! Class !! Manufacturer examples		! Non-inverting !! Inverting !! Class !! Manufacturer examples !!
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	\| A \|\| B \|\| Nominal \|\| BITS, FieldServer		\| A \|\| B \|\| Nominal \|\| BITS, FieldServer
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	\| + \|\| - \|\| Symbol \|\| BACnet Specification		\| + \|\| - \|\| Symbol \|\| BACnet Specification \|\| The non-inverting input of the
			EIA-485 transceiver is designated in this specification as "plus" or "+"
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	\| RT+ \|\| RT- \|\| \|\| EnOcean SmartServer IoT		\| RT+ \|\| RT- \|\| \|\| EnOcean SmartServer IoT

BACnetEd at 23:03, 29 June 2025

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	RS-485 comprises two signals, one that 'tracks' the UART logic levels (high voltage == 1, low voltage == 0). The other signal does the opposite. The meaning of these two signals has been polluted by chip and box vendors, which leads to a lot of confusion. A lot of further confusion arises when one considers the UART logic levels vs signal levels and labels. This article attempts to resolve the status, hopefully without adding to the confusion.		RS-485 comprises two signals, one that 'tracks' the UART logic levels (high voltage == 1, low voltage == 0). The other signal does the opposite. The meaning of these two signals has been polluted by chip and box vendors, which leads to a lot of confusion. A lot of further confusion arises when one considers the UART logic levels vs signal levels and labels. This article attempts to resolve the status, hopefully without adding to the confusion.

	'''Basic Rule from the specification		'''Basic Rule from the specification (and I have the actual specification)

	* A > B means the ~~line is logic '1' (MARK)~~.		* A > B means "binary 0 on the bus" or "ON".
	* A < B means the ~~line~~ is ~~logic '0'~~ (~~SPACE~~).		* A < B means "binary 1 on the bus" or "OFF".

			And A is non-inverting (and thus B is inverting)

	'''Identifying 'A' and 'B' signals'''		'''Identifying 'A' and 'B' signals'''
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	! UART input/output !! ~~Logic level !!~~ A vs B !! Legacy !! RS-485 Bus State !! RS-485 ~~A volt !! RS-485 B volt~~		! UART input/output !! A vs B !! Legacy !! RS-485 Bus State !! RS-485 Bus Binary state
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	\| 1 \|\| ~~high\|\|~~ A > B\|\| Mark/Idle \|\| On \|\| ~~high \|\| low~~		\| 1 \|\| A > B\|\| Mark/Idle \|\| On \|\| Logic 0
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	\| 0 \|\| ~~low \|\|~~ A < B \|\| Space \|\| Off \|\| ~~low \|\| high~~		\| 0 \|\| A < B \|\| Space \|\| Off \|\| Logic 1
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BACnetEd at 20:16, 29 June 2025

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			The BACnet Specification (135 - 9.2.2) says: The non-inverting input of the
			EIA-485 transceiver is designated in this specification as "plus" or "+" and the inverting input as "minus" or "-". It is recommended, but not required, that the black or red insulated wire of the twisted pair be designated as "plus" and the white, clear, or green insulated wire be designated as "minus."

	TI has a very definitive [https://e2e.ti.com/cfs-file/__key/telligent-evolution-components-attachments/13-143-00-00-00-26-49-60/RS485-_2D00_-Polarity-Conventions.pdf document], but one that has to be read carefully in terms of terminology. Read this document with the following table in mind. Note, according to TI (and our opinion), the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-485 Wikipedia article] on bus states is WRONG ! :		TI has a very definitive [https://e2e.ti.com/cfs-file/__key/telligent-evolution-components-attachments/13-143-00-00-00-26-49-60/RS485-_2D00_-Polarity-Conventions.pdf document], but one that has to be read carefully in terms of terminology. Read this document with the following table in mind. Note, according to TI (and our opinion), the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-485 Wikipedia article] on bus states is WRONG ! :

BACnetEd at 20:02, 29 June 2025

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	RS-485 comprises two signals, one that 'tracks' the UART logic levels (high voltage == 1, low voltage == 0). The other signal does the opposite. The meaning of these two signals has been polluted by chip and box vendors, which leads to a lot of confusion. A lot of further confusion arises when one considers the UART logic levels vs signal levels and labels. This article attempts to resolve the status, hopefully without adding to the confusion.		RS-485 comprises two signals, one that 'tracks' the UART logic levels (high voltage == 1, low voltage == 0). The other signal does the opposite. The meaning of these two signals has been polluted by chip and box vendors, which leads to a lot of confusion. A lot of further confusion arises when one considers the UART logic levels vs signal levels and labels. This article attempts to resolve the status, hopefully without adding to the confusion.

			'''Basic Rule from the specification

			* A > B means the line is logic '1' (MARK).
			* A < B means the line is logic '0' (SPACE).

	'''Identifying 'A' and 'B' signals'''		'''Identifying 'A' and 'B' signals'''

BACnetEd at 20:00, 29 June 2025

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	\|+ RS-485 Bus State Terminology		\|+ RS-485 Bus State Terminology
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	! UART input/output !! Logic level !! A vs B !! Legacy !! RS-485 Bus ~~State !! RS-485 Bus Logic~~ State !! RS-485 A volt !! RS-485 B volt		! UART input/output !! Logic level !! A vs B !! Legacy !! RS-485 Bus State !! RS-485 A volt !! RS-485 B volt
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	\| 1 \|\| high\|\| A > B\|\| Mark/Idle \|\| On ~~\|\| 0~~ \|\| high \|\| low		\| 1 \|\| high\|\| A > B\|\| Mark/Idle \|\| On \|\| high \|\| low
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	\| 0 \|\| low \|\| A < B \|\| Space \|\| Off ~~\|\| 1~~ \|\| low \|\| high		\| 0 \|\| low \|\| A < B \|\| Space \|\| Off \|\| low \|\| high
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BACnetEd at 16:01, 10 November 2023

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	\| RT+ \|\| RT- \|\| \|\| EnOcean SmartServer IoT		\| RT+ \|\| RT- \|\| \|\| EnOcean SmartServer IoT
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	\| + \|\| - \|\| Symbol \|\| FT-Click, BASRouter LX		\| + \|\| - \|\| Symbol \|\| FT-Click, BASRouter LX, Onicon F-4300
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	\| B+ \|\| A- \|\| \|\| MBS UBR-01 Mk II		\| B+ \|\| A- \|\| \|\| MBS UBR-01 Mk II

BACnetEd at 22:00, 25 September 2023

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	! Our Terminology !! Description !! Terminonlogy !! Data (UART) Representation		! Our Terminology !! Description !! Terminonlogy !! Data (UART) Representation !! When Idle
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	\| A \|\| Tracking UART value \|\| Non-Inverting \|\| A is high when UART emitting 1, A is low when UART emitting 0		\| A \|\| Tracking UART value \|\| Non-Inverting \|\| A is high when UART emitting 1, A is low when UART emitting 0 \|\| High
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	\| B \|\| Non-tracking \|\| Inverting \|\| B is low when UART emitting 1, B is high when UART emitting 0		\| B \|\| Non-tracking \|\| Inverting \|\| B is low when UART emitting 1, B is high when UART emitting 0 \|\| Low
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BACnetEd at 21:58, 25 September 2023

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	! Non-inverting !! Inverting !! Class !! Manufacturer examples		! Non-inverting !! Inverting !! Class !! Manufacturer examples
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	\| A \|\| B \|\| Nominal \|\| BITS		\| A \|\| B \|\| Nominal \|\| BITS, FieldServer
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			\| 485+ \|\| 485- \|\| Symbol \|\| FieldServer
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	\| U+ \|\| U- \|\| \|\| [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-485#Waveform_example Wikipedia]		\| U+ \|\| U- \|\| \|\| [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-485#Waveform_example Wikipedia]

BACnetEd at 12:54, 20 September 2023

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	\|+ RS-485 Bus State Terminology		\|+ RS-485 Bus State Terminology
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	! UART input/output !! Logic level !! A-B ~~(T+ - T-) result~~ !! Legacy !! RS-485 Bus State !! RS-485 Bus Logic State !! RS-485 A volt !! RS-485 B volt		! UART input/output !! Logic level !! A vs B !! Legacy !! RS-485 Bus State !! RS-485 Bus Logic State !! RS-485 A volt !! RS-485 B volt
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	\| 1 \|\| high\|\| A > B\|\| Mark/Idle \|\| On \|\| 0 \|\| high \|\| low		\| 1 \|\| high\|\| A > B\|\| Mark/Idle \|\| On \|\| 0 \|\| high \|\| low